TrigPointing
- Richary
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Re: TrigPointing
Now there's a thought, a trigpoint can't be too hard too build. And I think my frontyard would look better with one in it.
- Albany Canucks
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Re: TrigPointing
How active are people in logging finds of TrigPoints? Quite a few that I'm seeing have no logged finds.
The wiki gives some helpful info about TrigPoints - do I gather correctly that the stipulation to include a picture of the trig point along with your GPS receiver is quite strict, or isn't it absolutely necessary? And if you do want to include a photo, how do you go about including an image as part of your log?
The wiki gives some helpful info about TrigPoints - do I gather correctly that the stipulation to include a picture of the trig point along with your GPS receiver is quite strict, or isn't it absolutely necessary? And if you do want to include a photo, how do you go about including an image as part of your log?
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Re: TrigPointing
Theres quite a few trigpoints being found around the country.
The data for these trig comes from several databases and/or user contributions. Some are inaccessible or on private land, or hard to get to so they wont/don't have many finds.
The requirements are anythign BUT strict. Just a photo of the trig preferably with your GPS.
If you are within a stones throw of the Trig that is considered good enough!
You can add a picture to a log by clicking on the camera picture next to your log once you have saved it (or by clicking ' 'Add/Edit Gallery items for this log' after you have logged the trig). it's pretty straight forward. (see here: http://wiki.geocaching.com.au/wiki/Gallery )
I've updated the Wiki to include a link in the Trig page for how to add a picture.
The data for these trig comes from several databases and/or user contributions. Some are inaccessible or on private land, or hard to get to so they wont/don't have many finds.
The requirements are anythign BUT strict. Just a photo of the trig preferably with your GPS.
If you are within a stones throw of the Trig that is considered good enough!
You can add a picture to a log by clicking on the camera picture next to your log once you have saved it (or by clicking ' 'Add/Edit Gallery items for this log' after you have logged the trig). it's pretty straight forward. (see here: http://wiki.geocaching.com.au/wiki/Gallery )
I've updated the Wiki to include a link in the Trig page for how to add a picture.
- Zalgariath
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Re: TrigPointing
I <3 Trigs... some are the best caches Ive done. OK some are Drivebys on water towers but I'll take a smiley A few things to watch out for when chasing (particularly unfound) Trigs:
1) REAL Topo maps are your best friend, no google stuff, as these can often hint at the best approach, tracks, and maybe if it is on private land or not.
2) Respect private property, as CR said a lot are simply inaccesable. If you believe you have tried every possible approach and cant get near the thing due to fences, archive it.
3) Trigs are Public Domain, so anyone can edit the page. Not only does this mean you can archive some, as the first to find (or if the previous finders havent done so!) Feel free to add details like trail heads, hints or other information which may aid followers to getting the find
4) Terrain / Difficulty Ratings: As a default these are set to 2/2. Most are naturally wrong so be aware when you are hunting FTF's it could be simple, or REALLY tough. As the FTF or again if previous finders havent done so the best thing you can do that only takes a second is edit this to a proper standard (IE 1/1 if it is sitting on a road side you can drive right next to... or a 5/5 if it took you a 10 hour return hike with proper navigation, river crossings, climbing gear, and drop bear encounters
Sounds like WA needs a Trig Point Pioneer to investigate all those unfound Benchmarks! Im sure C@W and CR would be happy to pay you at least TWICE what they get paid for the service to the GCA community
Good Luck!
1) REAL Topo maps are your best friend, no google stuff, as these can often hint at the best approach, tracks, and maybe if it is on private land or not.
2) Respect private property, as CR said a lot are simply inaccesable. If you believe you have tried every possible approach and cant get near the thing due to fences, archive it.
3) Trigs are Public Domain, so anyone can edit the page. Not only does this mean you can archive some, as the first to find (or if the previous finders havent done so!) Feel free to add details like trail heads, hints or other information which may aid followers to getting the find
4) Terrain / Difficulty Ratings: As a default these are set to 2/2. Most are naturally wrong so be aware when you are hunting FTF's it could be simple, or REALLY tough. As the FTF or again if previous finders havent done so the best thing you can do that only takes a second is edit this to a proper standard (IE 1/1 if it is sitting on a road side you can drive right next to... or a 5/5 if it took you a 10 hour return hike with proper navigation, river crossings, climbing gear, and drop bear encounters
Sounds like WA needs a Trig Point Pioneer to investigate all those unfound Benchmarks! Im sure C@W and CR would be happy to pay you at least TWICE what they get paid for the service to the GCA community
Good Luck!
- caughtatwork
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Re: TrigPointing
http://geocaching.com.au/stats/graphs/g ... trigpoints will show how may are there to found and how many finds have been made.Albany Canucks wrote:How active are people in logging finds of TrigPoints? Quite a few that I'm seeing have no logged finds.
A lot of TP's are still out there to found, a lot due to the distance from civilisation.
They're really good if you happen to be travelling a long distance in an area that has few physical caches. There's bound to be a TP or two along the way.
- Now_To_Morrow
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Re: TrigPointing
I'm still trying to figure trig point geocaches out. If I create a trig point listing, is that it for my involvement? Can I log a find for it or do I get dragonzone points for others finding?
- Richary
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Re: TrigPointing
If you find a trig that isn't already listed you can list it, though they should automatically become owned by Geocaching Australia. Then you can log it as a find. I did that on my way to Qld in March on the way to the mega, I spotted one on a water tower near Grafton that hadn't previously been listed, a bit surprising as it was on a main road.
- caughtatwork
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As Richary says, TPs will automatically be owned by Geocaching Australia as a community asset as soon as you save it. It's auto publishes when you save. You can use your name in the Hidden By field on the listing, but that's only for display purposes. As soon as it's listed, you can claim a find against it. i.e. It's not your own cache you're finding, it's now owned by Geocaching Australia. Your points will then accrue. As Geocaching Australia is not a dragonZone game member, there are no Karma points awarded back to Geocaching Australia and as Geocaching Australia owns the listing you don't get any Karma points either.No_Tomorrow wrote:I'm still trying to figure trig point geocaches out. If I create a trig point listing, is that it for my involvement? Can I log a find for it or do I get dragonzone points for others finding?
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Looking for opinions and suggestions here...
If I have a number of resources related to trigs and their history in a few states, should I list them here in this topic, another existing one more appropriate, or start a new forum topic labelled something like "Trig Resources"? I imagine there are a few others out there with links and tips on how to use various sites to find things that would be great to share with the trig hunting community. I personally like the idea of starting a new topic dedicated solely to links to documents and what not. It would be even better if you could have sub-category topics for each state, including NZ, so that it is easier to sift through.
For example, if I was looking at visiting Tasmania and wanted to learn a bit about the history of trigs there, I could find the Trig Resources folder, then click on the Tassie topic/thread, and see all the post replies for Tassie only. Links like this one: https://isaust.org.au/resources/newsltr ... surv59.pdf
If we were to start a new topic/thread for these trig links, what label/subject suggestions do you have? My two cents: Geo-Halo Appreciation Society Intel. haha.
If I have a number of resources related to trigs and their history in a few states, should I list them here in this topic, another existing one more appropriate, or start a new forum topic labelled something like "Trig Resources"? I imagine there are a few others out there with links and tips on how to use various sites to find things that would be great to share with the trig hunting community. I personally like the idea of starting a new topic dedicated solely to links to documents and what not. It would be even better if you could have sub-category topics for each state, including NZ, so that it is easier to sift through.
For example, if I was looking at visiting Tasmania and wanted to learn a bit about the history of trigs there, I could find the Trig Resources folder, then click on the Tassie topic/thread, and see all the post replies for Tassie only. Links like this one: https://isaust.org.au/resources/newsltr ... surv59.pdf
If we were to start a new topic/thread for these trig links, what label/subject suggestions do you have? My two cents: Geo-Halo Appreciation Society Intel. haha.
Re: TrigPointing
An option is to start threads in each of the State forums and even a couple in the Outside Oz forum
- caughtatwork
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They would probably be better in the wiki.
- Now_To_Morrow
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... which I never use. I could just put all the links here as I find them and someone else could update the wiki with them I guess. And others could add things in the wiki or here I guess.
Because i never use the wiki and it's really only a one time visit to understand what something is, I guess no one would see that there are new cool documents about the history or something. I'd love it if someone found something on the net and shared it so I could have a read too. That's why I thought the forum might be the place.
Does anyone know of any other website besides GCA and waymarking.com where Trig Hunters can access the kind of info we have here?
- Now_To_Morrow
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Well, i guess rather than start a new thread, just in case others might be interested, here's the ones I've stumbled upon so far.
NSW
1975, SPECIFICATIONS
FOR
DESIGN AND MARKING CONTROL SURVEY TRAVERSES:
https://www.nswlrs.com.au/getattachment ... hment.aspx
2015, Survey Infrastructure Preservation and Upgrade:
Trigonometrical Stations in NSW:
https://www.spatial.nsw.gov.au/__data/a ... in_NSW.pdf
2002, MARKING THE LANDSCAPE - A Short History of Survey Marking in NSW
https://www.nswlrs.com.au/getattachment ... hment.aspx
>2007, Historical Trig Stations in Sydney’s North
https://hikingtheworld.blog/hiking-guid ... -stations/
QLD
Not trigs, but interesting border surveying stuff:
https://www.qld.gov.au/recreation/arts/ ... oclamation
https://www.qld.gov.au/recreation/arts/ ... oclamation
https://www.qld.gov.au/recreation/arts/ ... ey-qld-nsw
TAS
SURVEY CAIRNS, JAMES SPRENT AND THE TRIGONOMETRICAL SURVEY OF TASMANIA 1833 - 1855:
https://isaust.org.au/resources/newsltr ... surv59.pdf
1876, West Tas online map:
https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net ... 164438/one
NSW
1975, SPECIFICATIONS
FOR
DESIGN AND MARKING CONTROL SURVEY TRAVERSES:
https://www.nswlrs.com.au/getattachment ... hment.aspx
2015, Survey Infrastructure Preservation and Upgrade:
Trigonometrical Stations in NSW:
https://www.spatial.nsw.gov.au/__data/a ... in_NSW.pdf
2002, MARKING THE LANDSCAPE - A Short History of Survey Marking in NSW
https://www.nswlrs.com.au/getattachment ... hment.aspx
>2007, Historical Trig Stations in Sydney’s North
https://hikingtheworld.blog/hiking-guid ... -stations/
QLD
Not trigs, but interesting border surveying stuff:
https://www.qld.gov.au/recreation/arts/ ... oclamation
https://www.qld.gov.au/recreation/arts/ ... oclamation
https://www.qld.gov.au/recreation/arts/ ... ey-qld-nsw
TAS
SURVEY CAIRNS, JAMES SPRENT AND THE TRIGONOMETRICAL SURVEY OF TASMANIA 1833 - 1855:
https://isaust.org.au/resources/newsltr ... surv59.pdf
1876, West Tas online map:
https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net ... 164438/one
Re: TrigPointing
Regarding historical info in Queensland, here’s a map of a Trigonometrical Survey of Moreton Bay from 1840..
https://gisservices.information.qld.gov ... y-1841.jpg
That’s the oldest Queensland Trig Survey map I know off. I’m working my way through that map. I’ll attempt to visit each point eventually. My latest visit was Mt Gipps near the NSW border. I haven’t decided on the next visit yet.
Here is the oldest image of a Queensland Trig I’ve found. It’s from the 1890s on Gowrie Mountain near Toowoomba. The earliest reference to it I’ve seen is 1890. Unfortunately nothing remains of the original Trig. A steel quad beacon setup from 1977 is still at the site though. Annoyingly it’s currently being used as a stand for an aircraft navigation light.
I’ve been chatting to a long retired surveyor about Queensland trig stations. He used to install and use them right up till geodetic surveying entered the game. He’s given me instructions on how to get to an old beehive-cairn that he is confident should still be standing that was installed back in 1880. I’ll be heading north to try to find that one sometime soon. Fingers crossed..
https://gisservices.information.qld.gov ... y-1841.jpg
That’s the oldest Queensland Trig Survey map I know off. I’m working my way through that map. I’ll attempt to visit each point eventually. My latest visit was Mt Gipps near the NSW border. I haven’t decided on the next visit yet.
Here is the oldest image of a Queensland Trig I’ve found. It’s from the 1890s on Gowrie Mountain near Toowoomba. The earliest reference to it I’ve seen is 1890. Unfortunately nothing remains of the original Trig. A steel quad beacon setup from 1977 is still at the site though. Annoyingly it’s currently being used as a stand for an aircraft navigation light.
I’ve been chatting to a long retired surveyor about Queensland trig stations. He used to install and use them right up till geodetic surveying entered the game. He’s given me instructions on how to get to an old beehive-cairn that he is confident should still be standing that was installed back in 1880. I’ll be heading north to try to find that one sometime soon. Fingers crossed..
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Great images. I find it kind of fascinating how things change over time and how something we see as a beautiful cairn was once seen as old and needing to be upgraded.
I love that map! If you have found/find more things like that, please share it here so we can all enjoy it.
That's very very cool about the old surveyor. I'm keen to see your pics when you eventually get to the one he's mentioned to you.
I love that map! If you have found/find more things like that, please share it here so we can all enjoy it.
That's very very cool about the old surveyor. I'm keen to see your pics when you eventually get to the one he's mentioned to you.