When can "could not log" be a find?

[McPhan]

Agree totally with c@w. (Although if you can mark your handle, #3 would be a find)

[rhinogeo]

1. Found remains of muggled cache.
DNF

<p>If there is nothing left of the cache I agree, however if the cache is capable of being logged and replaced in its original spot (as far as can be determined) then I consider that a find </p><p>I am aware of occasions that a cache has been confirmed as missing but the cacher has logged a find because they found the hiding place or placed a new container and logbook in the original hiding place then logged a find in the <i>new cache</i> . <i>Claytons</i> finds that should be DNFs IMHO </p>

2. Found cache with container and/or contents wrecked by elements (fire, water etc)
DNF

<p>If you can leave a log in the cache it's a find and should be followed with a <b>Needs Maintenance</b> log</p>

3. Found cache with no writing implement in residence and forgot your own.
DNF

<p>Agreed . Scratch your name in blood . No log = No find</p>

4. Found cache but couldn't open it.
DNF

<p>Agreed . No log = DNF</p>

5. Could see cache but couldn't reach/retrieve it.
DNF

<p> An unequivocal DNF </p>

[tronador]

[quote="The situation of not being able to reach the cache is a trickier one. Being vertically and athletically challenged gives me an extra interest in this case though!

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Definatley still a DNF. Being vertically of athletically challenged shouldn't matter. It's meant to be vertically or athletically challenging.

[Damo.]

I have seen all of these logged as finds - you may have seen others.

I've seen one logged as a find after the previous finder had reported dropping it so it was impossible to reach (but they logged a find), the owners archived it, someone came along two months later not realising it was archived and replaced it so they could log a find.

If you can write in the log book you can claim a find.

I'm not going to begrudge the good samaritan who replaces a missing cache their smilie as a reward. After all, I doubt they would be replacing it if they couldn't claim it.