Is it OK to have two finds if a cache is moved?

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Is it OK to have two finds if a cache is moved?

Post by Bunya » 27 October 06 6:21 pm

There are occasions when a cache is moved by the owner after it has had a number of finds on it - for example, if it is muggled.

The cache is replaced - same name and placer - but some distance away from the original GZ.

If you had a find in its original position, can you 'find' it again in the new position?

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Post by ZED! » 27 October 06 8:11 pm

I might go and locate it but only log a note online

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Post by Damo. » 27 October 06 8:17 pm

Depends on the placer.
Personally, if I had revived a missing cache in a completely new position I would post a comment that previous finders were welcome to claim another find.
If there was no comment on the page I'd probably just log a note. But I'm not particularly numbers driven.

Why not email them and ask.

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Post by ian-and-penny » 27 October 06 9:05 pm

Hmmm, that's a hard call.

As the owner of a cache that has been replaced and moved slightly (but still retaining it's original GC code) - I think that it is, in essence, the same cache. Therefore I would frown upon original finders logging it again.

On the other hand, if another cache, with a different GC code, and by a different user, is placed to replace the cache - than thats a different matter.

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Re: Is it OK to have two finds if a cache is moved?

Post by zactyl » 27 October 06 10:07 pm

Bunya wrote:If you had a find in its original position, can you 'find' it again in the new position?
Fine by me if people do it on caches I own, though I extend that invitation. If in doubt, ask. If it's hidden in a different spot, and you have to search for it, that's a find. If the numbers matter to you, I'd play it safe and NOT log a second find, otherwise play however you like :D

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Post by president & 1st lady » 27 October 06 10:09 pm

If it's a new location, I'd say two finds would be fine. I have one that I moved, right across town, and I would allow two finds on that, one pre-council removal and one post-council removal.

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Post by Bunya » 28 October 06 4:59 pm

Thanks for the replies.

I actually was just interested in the forum's attitudes on this topic, rather than having a particular cache in mind.

I had always assumed that it was best to just log a note unless the placer specifically encourages second finds when they shift the cache.

I think IÂ’ll go on assuming that. :)

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Post by Wyoming Wombats » 29 October 06 11:41 am

ian-and-penny wrote:Hmmm, that's a hard call.

As the owner of a cache that has been replaced and moved slightly (but still retaining it's original GC code) - I think that it is, in essence, the same cache. Therefore I would frown upon original finders logging it again.

On the other hand, if another cache, with a different GC code, and by a different user, is placed to replace the cache - than thats a different matter.
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I understand where ian-and-penny are coming from. There are many different scenarios though.<P>
There was a Geomonkeys cache in Strickland State forest that was replaced due to flooding/access issues. The replacement cache retained the same GC code but was shifted over 800m away. I found both and logged both as finds (see GC2C13).<P>
I know that this is well outside the scope ian-and-penny are talking about but where would the "moved slightly" end? 10m, 50m, 10m but at a different elevation? <P>
Having said that, I agree entirely with ian-and-penny. However, I don't think a distance can be set, but a note from the setter would certainly clarify the issue.<p>

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Post by caughtatwork » 29 October 06 11:46 am

Same GC or GA number, only one find for me (with 2 exceptions that I've allowed myself on seasonal caches).

Different GC or GA number, then it's a different cache and I'll happily seek it again.

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Post by Biggles Bear » 29 October 06 3:38 pm

Damo. wrote:................, if I had revived a missing cache in a completely new position I would post a comment that previous finders were welcome to claim another find.
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What Damo said. We have done this in the past.

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Post by Cached » 29 October 06 9:12 pm

I haven't yet, but

"Superman" has moved from one end of Adelaide to the other. It's a new cache as far as I am concerned and I'd log another find. I found the other one at least a year ago.

I'm sure the owner would let me know if they objected.

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Post by djcache » 31 October 06 9:24 pm

I think you'll find GC.com will filter out two claimed finds on the same cache by the same registered user as only one find.

When I replaced Apprentice Hero after it was muggled with Weary worked here, the hide method and cache size were completely different. I talked to a few people and asked that the original be archived and if I could place a new cache.

This was done.

A different example I could think of would be the BB's Christmas Cracker Cache. I'm pretty sure they relist the same cache GCxxxx number and I reckon GC doesn't count the multiple finds. I could be wrong but I'm sure someone will clarify it.

Some of the more ridiculous examples I've seen would be a new cacher going back for a maintenance visit and logging a find, and another relative newbie cacher claiming a find, then two more when he took friends back to show them what caching was. I'm sure if they don't allow multiples to register in the numbers on GC.com that would be why.

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Post by djcache » 31 October 06 9:53 pm

Well I'll be. It does multi register on the same cache.

Had I thought about it longer I'd have had the answer cos otherwise #51 Trig - Great Southern Land would never have worked. :oops:

But I tried it on one of the last caches I logged. It incremented on the second log, and decreased by one when I deleted it.

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Post by caughtatwork » 31 October 06 10:11 pm

djcache wrote:Well I'll be. It does multi register on the same cache.

Had I thought about it longer I'd have had the answer cos otherwise #51 Trig - Great Southern Land would never have worked. :oops:

But I tried it on one of the last caches I logged. It incremented on the second log, and decreased by one when I deleted it.

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Correct which is why some at gc.com would like one cache, one find, period.

There's many a high find cacher who has a hundred or more logs at an event for all the "temporary" caches they find at said event.

Kind of seems a little silly to me.

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Post by zactyl » 01 November 06 2:40 am

djcache wrote:Some of the more ridiculous examples I've seen would be a new cacher going back for a maintenance visit and logging a find, and another relative newbie cacher claiming a find, then two more when he took friends back to show them what caching was.
Add to this list a cache placer logging a find on their own cache when it is published :roll:

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