Archiving caches in National Parks

[homedg]

Looks like the reviewers have started, without any obvious prompting, archiving caches in areas managed by NPWS.

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_de ... ba91e87f38 (GCZ3ND)

This one was in the public picnic and lookout area at the end of a public road. No risk of envornmental damage or contamination at all.

[riblit]

Don't jump to conclusions, you could fall and hurt yourself.

It had an SBA note on it so it came up in the list of caches with SBA notes and than flagged as being in a DECC controlled area.

[homedg]

The note was for a temorary disable.
No need for this as access has been re-enabled.
I thought that these caches fell under the "Grandfathered" banner.

I must also say that I was initially a bit offended by your sarcasm and veiled threat. Lucky I'm Thick-Skinned so I'm over it already.

Back OT. Are we likely to see more caches archived as you come across them?

[riblit]

The note was for a temorary disable.
No need for this as access has been re-enabled.
I thought that these caches fell under the "Grandfathered" banner.

I must also say that I was initially a bit offended by your sarcasm and veiled threat. Lucky I'm Thick-Skinned so I'm over it already.

Back OT. Are we likely to see more caches archived as you come across them?

No, they don't come under the Grandfathered banner, because its not a change in guidelines, they come under this part of the guidelines: http://www.geocaching.com/about/guideli ... x#offlimit
"Caches may be quickly archived if we see the following (which is not exhaustive):

* Caches on land managed by an agency that prohibits geocaches,"

As you know DECC does not allow physical caches on they manage.

What sarcasm and veiled threat?

[Lucy]

The note was for a temorary disable.
No need for this as access has been re-enabled.
I thought that these caches fell under the "Grandfathered" banner.

I must also say that I was initially a bit offended by your sarcasm and veiled threat. Lucky I'm Thick-Skinned so I'm over it already.

Back OT. Are we likely to see more caches archived as you come across them?

No, they don't come under the Grandfathered banner, because its not a change in guidelines, they come under this part of the guidelines: http://www.geocaching.com/about/guideli ... x#offlimit
"Caches may be quickly archived if we see the following (which is not exhaustive):

* Caches on land managed by an agency that prohibits geocaches,"

As you know DECC does not allow physical caches on they manage.

What sarcasm and veiled threat?

Only protected areas. Trying to define what they consider protcted at the moment - have a meeting with my regional manager on Sunday and will pick her brains.

[homedg]

So is the answer to my question, Yes?

You may also want to archive your own cache which is behind a locked gate in a National Park (GCPVP3).

[caughtatwork]

So is the answer to my question, Yes?

You may also want to archive your own cache which is behind a locked gate in a National Park (GCPVP3).

That cache is not listed as being in a zone controlled by NPWS.
The closest zone is Blue Mountains National Park http://geocaching.com.au/zone/kml/100/
The cache http://geocaching.com.au/cache/gcpvp3.kml is not in that park boundary.

This may be a data issue or not. I can't tell.

[homedg]

Obviously a boundary data issue on one side or the other.
Definately behind a locked gate so either NPWS surveyors have got it wrong, or the data is incorrect.

[geoskid]

Looks like the reviewers have started, without any obvious prompting, archiving caches in areas managed by NPWS.

I think it is important to specify which state you are referring to, and more importantly, that you are referring to the GC reviewers. I know it has become the norm, but no wonder Newbies get confused.

[homedg]

Looks like the reviewers have started, without any obvious prompting, archiving caches in areas managed by NPWS.

I think it is important to specify which state you are referring to, and more importantly, that you are referring to the GC reviewers. I know it has become the norm, but no wonder Newbies get confused.

Sorry, NSW.

[geoskid]

Sorry, NSW.

Good And more importantly?

[riblit]

So is the answer to my question, Yes?

You may also want to archive your own cache which is behind a locked gate in a National Park (GCPVP3).

As a responsible geocacher I have already checked my hides and archived those where the cache container was in a National Park.

That cache is outside the Blue Mountains National Park boundary. There are a lot of areas within the Blue Mountains that are not part of the National Park.
If you wish to check yourself you can download the latest DECC Estate Data from the Geocaching Association of NSW web site.

DECC ban a physical container on their land, there is no ban on passing through their land to find a cache outside the boundary.

[homedg]

Thanks for the response Riblet,
As you know there are issues with the boundary data.

I am still curious as to an answer to my original question....

Are we likely to see more caches archived as you come across them?

[riblit]

Thanks for the response Riblet,
As you know there are issues with the boundary data.

I am still curious as to an answer to my original question....

Are we likely to see more caches archived as you come across them?

That question has already been answered.

I have no reason to believe the boundary data is incorrect, Data I have from 4 different sources show the boundary in the same place.
Do have any evidence to support your assertion that there are issues with the boundary data?

If you don't agree with cache being archived you have the right to take your case to groundspeak at appeals@groundspeak.com

[homedg]

Are we likely to see more caches archived as you come across them?

That was the question. Sorry if I haven't Interpreted your answer.