TrigPointing

[bshwckr]

Yes, of course you do.
7,000 caches over 6 weeks is a tough call though

That's only one every 8.64 minutes!

[Captain Terror]

I need some help, perhaps from a moderator. I found a Trigpoint at the summit of Mt Larcom while on holidays. I took photos and such of it. Yet it is not listed on GCA at all as a trigpoint. Should I make a listing for it, just log it as a QLD State Survey Mark or something different?

[Tuena]

(As for the exclusions of trig points, the data is 250k scale (most bushwalking maps are 25k scale) The Geoscience Australia website mentioned somewhere that the 250k scale means that only about 50 points/features of each of the categories of spatial thingys are included on a map sheet index. It is basically aimed to give you an overview of the countries trig points. The fun for people like me will come from finding those unlisted points, as you say, are potentially all over the place. )

A casual observation. When Trigs were added to GCA there were a total of 13 included for the Shoalhaven, 11 of which were (are) in wilderness areas best accessed by experienced bush walkers. Some may be accessible by high clearance 4WDs. I've identified 75 Trigs in the Shoalhaven.

There was only one that could be termed suburban (HMAS Albatross). I've added a couple more.

It appears the GeoScience people are testing us with their sense of adventure.

I thoroughly enjoy Trigs & have started to update my topo maps, some of which are 20 years old!

[caughtatwork]

I need some help, perhaps from a moderator. I found a Trigpoint at the summit of Mt Larcom while on holidays. I took photos and such of it. Yet it is not listed on GCA at all as a trigpoint. Should I make a listing for it, just log it as a QLD State Survey Mark or something different?

If it's a true TP, then yes, please include it in the DB. Make sure it's not on private property first would be handy.

[Captain Terror]

Cheers caughtatwork.

Trigpoint is now listed, and as being owned by Geocaching Australia (even though it comes up with my name, yet links to GCA profile).

Mt. Larcom Summit

[J_&_J]

Is placing containers at dubious trigpoints in the name of the game?

See here for details.

I say dubious as there are 3 of these type of wooden structure in the same area, one of which is used as a part of the Pyramid puzzle cache series in the Yorke Peninsula. Although they do seem to be survey related, they certainly don't show up on the TOPO SA maps, which have been a good resource for South Aussie trig points.

Maybe I could forget the guidelines and just log a find?

[caughtatwork]

I think your last line is probably the most appropriate.
We can never educate EVERYONE, so just do what YOU think is the right thing for YOU.
Above all else, have fun

[Shael6636]

Hi caughtatwork,

need some help on saturday23-6-10 myself and the_robots discovered a new trig pint (or so we belive) In Albany WA. How can I go about confirming that it is an official trippoint?

the problem is in my tiredness i created the listing without following the procedures (i didnt think to check the forums at the time) So i need to know if the listing needs to be deleted 1st and then I can hopefully follow the clear procedures that I know exist somewehere on this forum

[caughtatwork]

http://geocaching.com.au/cache/tp5330

Show me a picture. If it has the disk thingy on poles, it's good to go.
If it's a marker in the ground it should look something like this.
http://geocaching.com.au/gallery/image/9904
or like this
http://geocaching.com.au/gallery/image/7139

Some say survey marks are not trig points, but the last pic there is at a listed trigpoint even though it says survey mark on the marker.

Now something that says bench mark is not a trigpoint, but this one has both.
e.g. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... arkers.jpg
This is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Hill,_Mitcham

Confused?
The picture that you (or the_robots) took will help a lot.

[Shael6636]

http://geocaching.com.au/cache/tp5330

Show me a picture. If it has the disk thingy on poles, it's good to go.
If it's a marker in the ground it should look something like this.
http://geocaching.com.au/gallery/image/9904
or like this
http://geocaching.com.au/gallery/image/7139

Some say survey marks are not trig points, but the last pic there is at a listed trigpoint even though it says survey mark on the marker.

Now something that says bench mark is not a trigpoint, but this one has both.
e.g. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... arkers.jpg
This is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Hill,_Mitcham

Confused?
The picture that you (or the_robots) took will help a lot.

Thanks caughtatwork , i will have to get my partner in crime to email me the photo. Once I have it i will upload it so we can check.

[Bundyrumandcoke]

Unfortunately, not all trip points are a disk on a pole thingy, or a marker on the ground, or just about anything else startling.

The one at Burua is just a pole in the ground, surrounded by a circle of rocks. It could easily be mistaken for a fence post, except there is no fence up there. And its not in an easily accessible area where vandals could or would have removed the disk.

Thats just the way it is sometimes.

Cheers
Bundy

[Shael6636]

The one we found at Alabny was the concrete with the disk insert. Additionaly it had the yellow diamond sign as well. We only found it because we were attempting to find a cache in the vicinity

unfortuntely we didnt find the cache after a good 15 minutes but we did find (hopefully) a previously undiscoverd trig Point

[Varuna]

The one we found at Alabny was the concrete with the disk insert. Additionaly it had the yellow diamond sign as well. We only found it because we were attempting to find a cache in the vicinity ...

May I put a suggestion...

- Create a new Trig Point what you have found with benchmark disc with pillar, metal trig or whatever that hasn't been published by Geocaching Austalia previously.

- as for any white or yellow diamond Survey Marker/s, we have already got "WanAus 137 - WA State Survey Marks Locationless" GA1613 where you can log your find. Also please scroll this down to the bottom what I did logged my find at Survey Marker (GA1613) along with Koombana Trig Point (TP5255).

Hope it explain and answer to your question.

[Shael6636]

The one we found at Alabny was the concrete with the disk insert. Additionaly it had the yellow diamond sign as well. We only found it because we were attempting to find a cache in the vicinity ...

May I put a suggestion...

- Create a new Trig Point what you have found with benchmark disc with pillar, metal trig or whatever that hasn't been published by Geocaching Austalia previously.

- as for any white or yellow diamond Survey Marker/s, we have already got "WanAus 137 - WA State Survey Marks Locationless" GA1613 where you can log your find. Also please scroll this down to the bottom what I did logged my find at Survey Marker (GA1613) along with Koombana Trig Point (TP5255).

Hope it explain and answer to your question.

it does sorta Its interesting that we did the Sukey Hill Trip Point but it has the standard yellow Survey Marker sign next to it see log http://geocaching.com.au/cache/tp2003

I think it might have paid to read up a bit before we started trigPointing There certainly seems to be a bit of varience on how a trig Point can be represented.

[Shael6636]

http://geocaching.com.au/cache/tp5330

Show me a picture. If it has the disk thingy on poles, it's good to go.
If it's a marker in the ground it should look something like this.
http://geocaching.com.au/gallery/image/9904
or like this
http://geocaching.com.au/gallery/image/7139

Some say survey marks are not trig points, but the last pic there is at a listed trigpoint even though it says survey mark on the marker.

Now something that says bench mark is not a trigpoint, but this one has both.
e.g. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... arkers.jpg
This is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Hill,_Mitcham

Confused?
The picture that you (or the_robots) took will help a lot.

Ok so what is the difference between a benchmark and a survey mark? i can understand that a Survey Mark is used for surveying and mapping purposes but what is the Benchmark used for?

And how does the whole thing work really confused now havent governements ever heard of standardization?