Caches on or under Bridges
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Caches on or under Bridges
In the early days one of the placement rules for caches was "Not on or under Bridges". Now of late the rule seems to have been relaxed.
Today I saw something that is of a concern, but not to Geocaches, but to Main Roads. We found a cache under a bridge that as a explosives tech I could concievably put enough explosives in to render that bridge useless. And the problem is that given modern concerns a large enough cache "MIGHT" be mistaken for a IED (Improvised Explosive Device). If so the authorities would render it safe. And to do that they use a shotgun attached to a robot. Some you can imaging what would happen to the cache. And with a stash note we get the blame and more resrictions placed on us.
Now I have seen micro caches on bridges, and they are not an issue as they are far to small to be of any danger.
So what is the general opinion. Am I over reacting ( remember I am ex Military so I have a different outlook), or is it a valid concern that needs to be addressed.
I am not trying to stop bridges being used as some have wondeful locations. But I think we need to have a policy of some sort.
I think micro's are the answer but that is my opinion.
Today I saw something that is of a concern, but not to Geocaches, but to Main Roads. We found a cache under a bridge that as a explosives tech I could concievably put enough explosives in to render that bridge useless. And the problem is that given modern concerns a large enough cache "MIGHT" be mistaken for a IED (Improvised Explosive Device). If so the authorities would render it safe. And to do that they use a shotgun attached to a robot. Some you can imaging what would happen to the cache. And with a stash note we get the blame and more resrictions placed on us.
Now I have seen micro caches on bridges, and they are not an issue as they are far to small to be of any danger.
So what is the general opinion. Am I over reacting ( remember I am ex Military so I have a different outlook), or is it a valid concern that needs to be addressed.
I am not trying to stop bridges being used as some have wondeful locations. But I think we need to have a policy of some sort.
I think micro's are the answer but that is my opinion.
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No such thing as common sense. Because we are all different and what might be common to you will not be common to me.
No such thing as common sense. Because we are all different and what might be common to you will not be common to me.
Will it cause unnecessary concern? - Please use common sense when choosing a location for your cache. Do not place your cache in any location where it might be confused with something more dangerous.
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That said, there's been all kinds of caches globally that have been treted as an IED's..... some have been containers under bridges etc, but silly things like plastic containers under bushes have been 'defused' by the authoroties.
Even when common sense is applied, theres always someone else with less common sense who will over-react
The type of cache that concerns me more are the ones where people use a Microcontroller or a PIC or some other form of battery/wire/circuit board type setup... they can ONLY be a cause of concern to the uninitiated (as cool as I think some of them are....)
That said, there's been all kinds of caches globally that have been treted as an IED's..... some have been containers under bridges etc, but silly things like plastic containers under bushes have been 'defused' by the authoroties.
Even when common sense is applied, theres always someone else with less common sense who will over-react
The type of cache that concerns me more are the ones where people use a Microcontroller or a PIC or some other form of battery/wire/circuit board type setup... they can ONLY be a cause of concern to the uninitiated (as cool as I think some of them are....)
But even leaving batteries as swaps will get a cache blown up when the bomb robot see them in the xray.CraigRat wrote:The type of cache that concerns me more are the ones where people use a Microcontroller or a PIC or some other form of battery/wire/circuit board type setup... they can ONLY be a cause of concern to the uninitiated (as cool as I think some of them are....)
I tend to look at the bridge itself and make a decision based on the likelihood of muggles who still have their "be alert, not alarmed" magnets on the fridge getting suspicious.
So, somewhere near the road on a major highway bridge, especially near a major city, will make me ask more questions and, possibly, ask to have it put somewhere else.
Country bridges or placements that are well out of sight of passers-by worry me less.
As always, I have to rely on the common sense of cache placers, who hopefully have a bit of a think about what it'll look like to muggles when someone's searching for their cache.
Sadly, there's enough occasions when this sense isn't at all common...
Much as I love ammo cans and admire the durability of PVC pipe caches, neither are suitable for 'sensitive' areas like near airports or major bridges. A clear plastic clip-lock container full of $2 shop trinkets is just soooo much less threatening!
So, somewhere near the road on a major highway bridge, especially near a major city, will make me ask more questions and, possibly, ask to have it put somewhere else.
Country bridges or placements that are well out of sight of passers-by worry me less.
As always, I have to rely on the common sense of cache placers, who hopefully have a bit of a think about what it'll look like to muggles when someone's searching for their cache.
Sadly, there's enough occasions when this sense isn't at all common...
Much as I love ammo cans and admire the durability of PVC pipe caches, neither are suitable for 'sensitive' areas like near airports or major bridges. A clear plastic clip-lock container full of $2 shop trinkets is just soooo much less threatening!
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Maybe micros, or small, clear caches only would be a sensible guideline for placement on larger bridges. I would think, though, that a footbridge in a park is unlikely to be a target for terrorists with large bombs, and therefore *should* be an acceptable place for a cache.
I really hope that black plastic bags never become popular in Victoria.
I really hope that black plastic bags never become popular in Victoria.
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Yep! I have to agree. Hiding suspicious packages on, under or near major bits of infrastructure is just asking for your cache to be robotically blown up
For heavens sakes, use innocent looking containers in these circumstances people
As for plastic bags, nice to see some fellow cachers who hate them. I've said it before and I'll say it again " They're a cheap substitute for a quick coat of paint; which will only last a week at best before being holed and becoming LITTER
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For heavens sakes, use innocent looking containers in these circumstances people
As for plastic bags, nice to see some fellow cachers who hate them. I've said it before and I'll say it again " They're a cheap substitute for a quick coat of paint; which will only last a week at best before being holed and becoming LITTER
Happy caching
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I found one today in southern NSW that had been wrapped in a garbage bag for protection, despite already being a decent Systema container. The garbage bag had fallen apart and I was tempted to remove it (except for being sprung by a muggle at the wrong moment). Acheives absolutely nothing except to add to the concept that caching is littering.
And the bag additionally obscures just what the package it contains is, further increasing suspicion. Not very many people will think that a painted or clear plastic systema container is dangerous, but wrap it in an opaque bag and place it in an odd place, and it just became a threat.richary wrote:Acheives absolutely nothing except to add to the concept that caching is littering.